ChatGPT解决这个技术问题 Extra ChatGPT

What is the difference between 'SAME' and 'VALID' padding in tf.nn.max_pool of tensorflow?

What is the difference between 'SAME' and 'VALID' padding in tf.nn.max_pool of tensorflow?

In my opinion, 'VALID' means there will be no zero padding outside the edges when we do max pool.

According to A guide to convolution arithmetic for deep learning, it says that there will be no padding in pool operator, i.e. just use 'VALID' of tensorflow. But what is 'SAME' padding of max pool in tensorflow?

Check tensorflow.org/api_guides/python/… for details, this is how tf done it.
Check out these amazing gifs to understand how padding and stride works. Link
@GabrielChu your link appears to have died and is now a redirect to a general overview.
As Tensorflow upgrading to 2.0, things will be replaced by Keras and I believe you can find the pooling information in Keras documentations. @matt

M
MiniQuark

If you like ascii art:

"VALID" = without padding: inputs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 (12 13) |________________| dropped |_________________|

"SAME" = with zero padding: pad| |pad inputs: 0 |1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13|0 0 |________________| |_________________| |________________|

In this example:

Input width = 13

Filter width = 6

Stride = 5

Notes:

"VALID" only ever drops the right-most columns (or bottom-most rows).

"SAME" tries to pad evenly left and right, but if the amount of columns to be added is odd, it will add the extra column to the right, as is the case in this example (the same logic applies vertically: there may be an extra row of zeros at the bottom).

Edit:

About the name:

With "SAME" padding, if you use a stride of 1, the layer's outputs will have the same spatial dimensions as its inputs.

With "VALID" padding, there's no "made-up" padding inputs. The layer only uses valid input data.


Is it fair to say "SAME" means "use zero-padding to make sure the filter size doesn't have to change if the image width is not a multiple of the filter width or the image height is not a multiple of the filter height"? As in, "pad with zeros up to a multiple of the filter width" if width is the problem?
Answering my own side question: NO, that's not the point of zero padding. You choose the filter size to work with the input (including zero padding), but you don't choose the zero padding after the filter size.
I don't understand your own answer @StatsSorceress . It seems to me that you add enough zeros (in a as symmetric as possible way) so that all inputs are covered by some filter, am I right?
Great answer, just to add: In case that the tensor values can be negative, padding for max_pooling is with -inf.
What if the input width is an even number when ksize=2, stride=2 and with SAME padding ?...then it should not be zero-padded right ?....I'm saying this when I look darkflow code repo, they are using SAME pad, stride=2,ksize=2 for maxpool....after maxpooling image width reduced down to 208 pixels from 416 pixel width. Can anyone clarify this ?
Y
YvesgereY

When stride is 1 (more typical with convolution than pooling), we can think of the following distinction:

"SAME": output size is the same as input size. This requires the filter window to slip outside input map, hence the need to pad.

"VALID": Filter window stays at valid position inside input map, so output size shrinks by filter_size - 1. No padding occurs.


This is finally helpful. Up to this point, it appeared that SAME and VALID may as well have been called foo and bar
I think "output size is the same as input size" is true only when the stride length is 1.
O
Olivier Moindrot

I'll give an example to make it clearer:

x: input image of shape [2, 3], 1 channel

valid_pad: max pool with 2x2 kernel, stride 2 and VALID padding.

same_pad: max pool with 2x2 kernel, stride 2 and SAME padding (this is the classic way to go)

The output shapes are:

valid_pad: here, no padding so the output shape is [1, 1]

same_pad: here, we pad the image to the shape [2, 4] (with -inf and then apply max pool), so the output shape is [1, 2]

x = tf.constant([[1., 2., 3.],
                 [4., 5., 6.]])

x = tf.reshape(x, [1, 2, 3, 1])  # give a shape accepted by tf.nn.max_pool

valid_pad = tf.nn.max_pool(x, [1, 2, 2, 1], [1, 2, 2, 1], padding='VALID')
same_pad = tf.nn.max_pool(x, [1, 2, 2, 1], [1, 2, 2, 1], padding='SAME')

valid_pad.get_shape() == [1, 1, 1, 1]  # valid_pad is [5.]
same_pad.get_shape() == [1, 1, 2, 1]   # same_pad is  [5., 6.]


n
n8yoder

The TensorFlow Convolution example gives an overview about the difference between SAME and VALID :

For the SAME padding, the output height and width are computed as: out_height = ceil(float(in_height) / float(strides[1])) out_width = ceil(float(in_width) / float(strides[2]))

And

For the VALID padding, the output height and width are computed as: out_height = ceil(float(in_height - filter_height + 1) / float(strides[1])) out_width = ceil(float(in_width - filter_width + 1) / float(strides[2]))


z
zmx

Complementing YvesgereY's great answer, I found this visualization extremely helpful:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/0rs9l.gif

Padding 'valid' is the first figure. The filter window stays inside the image.

Padding 'same' is the third figure. The output is the same size.

Found it on this article

Visualization credits: vdumoulin@GitHub


Very immediate answer!
This is the best solution for me. Visualization tells the story. Thanks
S
Salvador Dali

Padding is an operation to increase the size of the input data. In case of 1-dimensional data you just append/prepend the array with a constant, in 2-dim you surround matrix with these constants. In n-dim you surround your n-dim hypercube with the constant. In most of the cases this constant is zero and it is called zero-padding.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/84NMg.png

You can use arbitrary padding for your kernel but some of the padding values are used more frequently than others they are:

VALID padding. The easiest case, means no padding at all. Just leave your data the same it was.

SAME padding sometimes called HALF padding. It is called SAME because for a convolution with a stride=1, (or for pooling) it should produce output of the same size as the input. It is called HALF because for a kernel of size k

FULL padding is the maximum padding which does not result in a convolution over just padded elements. For a kernel of size k, this padding is equal to k - 1.

To use arbitrary padding in TF, you can use tf.pad()


S
Shital Shah

Quick Explanation

VALID: Don't apply any padding, i.e., assume that all dimensions are valid so that input image fully gets covered by filter and stride you specified.

SAME: Apply padding to input (if needed) so that input image gets fully covered by filter and stride you specified. For stride 1, this will ensure that output image size is same as input.

Notes

This applies to conv layers as well as max pool layers in same way

The term "valid" is bit of a misnomer because things don't become "invalid" if you drop part of the image. Sometime you might even want that. This should have probably be called NO_PADDING instead.

The term "same" is a misnomer too because it only makes sense for stride of 1 when output dimension is same as input dimension. For stride of 2, output dimensions will be half, for example. This should have probably be called AUTO_PADDING instead.

In SAME (i.e. auto-pad mode), Tensorflow will try to spread padding evenly on both left and right.

In VALID (i.e. no padding mode), Tensorflow will drop right and/or bottom cells if your filter and stride doesn't full cover input image.


V
Vaibhav Dixit

I am quoting this answer from official tensorflow docs https://www.tensorflow.org/api_guides/python/nn#Convolution For the 'SAME' padding, the output height and width are computed as:

out_height = ceil(float(in_height) / float(strides[1]))
out_width  = ceil(float(in_width) / float(strides[2]))

and the padding on the top and left are computed as:

pad_along_height = max((out_height - 1) * strides[1] +
                    filter_height - in_height, 0)
pad_along_width = max((out_width - 1) * strides[2] +
                   filter_width - in_width, 0)
pad_top = pad_along_height // 2
pad_bottom = pad_along_height - pad_top
pad_left = pad_along_width // 2
pad_right = pad_along_width - pad_left

For the 'VALID' padding, the output height and width are computed as:

out_height = ceil(float(in_height - filter_height + 1) / float(strides[1]))
out_width  = ceil(float(in_width - filter_width + 1) / float(strides[2]))

and the padding values are always zero.


Frankly this is the only valid and complete answer around, not limited to strides of 1. And all it takes is a quote from the docs. +1
Very useful to have this answer around, specially because the link you point to doesn't work anymore and it seems that Google erased that information from the tf website!
This should be the answer to the question! indeed the only complete answer.
C
Change-the-world

There are three choices of padding: valid (no padding), same (or half), full. You can find explanations (in Theano) here: http://deeplearning.net/software/theano/tutorial/conv_arithmetic.html

Valid or no padding:

The valid padding involves no zero padding, so it covers only the valid input, not including artificially generated zeros. The length of output is ((the length of input) - (k-1)) for the kernel size k if the stride s=1.

Same or half padding:

The same padding makes the size of outputs be the same with that of inputs when s=1. If s=1, the number of zeros padded is (k-1).

Full padding:

The full padding means that the kernel runs over the whole inputs, so at the ends, the kernel may meet the only one input and zeros else. The number of zeros padded is 2(k-1) if s=1. The length of output is ((the length of input) + (k-1)) if s=1.

Therefore, the number of paddings: (valid) <= (same) <= (full)


C
Cabbage soup

VALID padding: this is with zero padding. Hope there is no confusion.

x = tf.constant([[1., 2., 3.], [4., 5., 6.],[ 7., 8., 9.], [ 7., 8., 9.]])
x = tf.reshape(x, [1, 4, 3, 1])
valid_pad = tf.nn.max_pool(x, [1, 2, 2, 1], [1, 2, 2, 1], padding='VALID')
print (valid_pad.get_shape()) # output-->(1, 2, 1, 1)

SAME padding: This is kind of tricky to understand in the first place because we have to consider two conditions separately as mentioned in the official docs.

https://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?n_i

https://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?n_i&space;%5Cmod&space;s&space;=&space;0

https://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?n_i&space;%5Cmod&space;s&space;%5Cneq&space;0

https://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?p_i

Let's work out this example:

x = tf.constant([[1., 2., 3.], [4., 5., 6.],[ 7., 8., 9.], [ 7., 8., 9.]])
x = tf.reshape(x, [1, 4, 3, 1])
same_pad = tf.nn.max_pool(x, [1, 2, 2, 1], [1, 2, 2, 1], padding='SAME')
print (same_pad.get_shape()) # --> output (1, 2, 2, 1)

Here the dimension of x is (3,4). Then if the horizontal direction is taken (3):

https://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?n_i&space;=&space;3,&space;k&space;=2,&space;s&space;=2,&space;p_i&space;=&space;2&space;-&space;(3%5Cmod&space;2)&space;=&space;1,&space;n_0&space;=&space;int&space;(%5Cfrac%7B3-2+2*1%7D%7B2%7D&space;+&space;1)&space;=&space;2

If the vertial direction is taken (4):

https://latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?n_i&space;=&space;4,&space;k&space;=2,&space;s&space;=2,&space;p_i&space;=&space;2&space;-&space;2&space;=&space;0,&space;n_0&space;=&space;int&space;(%5Cfrac%7B3-2+2*0%7D%7B2%7D&space;+&space;1)&space;=&space;2

Hope this will help to understand how actually SAME padding works in TF.


F
Frederick Hong

To sum up, 'valid' padding means no padding. The output size of the convolutional layer shrinks depending on the input size & kernel size.

On the contrary, 'same' padding means using padding. When the stride is set as 1, the output size of the convolutional layer maintains as the input size by appending a certain number of '0-border' around the input data when calculating convolution.

Hope this intuitive description helps.


a
ahmedhosny

Based on the explanation here and following up on Tristan's answer, I usually use these quick functions for sanity checks.

# a function to help us stay clean
def getPaddings(pad_along_height,pad_along_width):
    # if even.. easy..
    if pad_along_height%2 == 0:
        pad_top = pad_along_height / 2
        pad_bottom = pad_top
    # if odd
    else:
        pad_top = np.floor( pad_along_height / 2 )
        pad_bottom = np.floor( pad_along_height / 2 ) +1
    # check if width padding is odd or even
    # if even.. easy..
    if pad_along_width%2 == 0:
        pad_left = pad_along_width / 2
        pad_right= pad_left
    # if odd
    else:
        pad_left = np.floor( pad_along_width / 2 )
        pad_right = np.floor( pad_along_width / 2 ) +1
        #
    return pad_top,pad_bottom,pad_left,pad_right

# strides [image index, y, x, depth]
# padding 'SAME' or 'VALID'
# bottom and right sides always get the one additional padded pixel (if padding is odd)
def getOutputDim (inputWidth,inputHeight,filterWidth,filterHeight,strides,padding):
    if padding == 'SAME':
        out_height = np.ceil(float(inputHeight) / float(strides[1]))
        out_width  = np.ceil(float(inputWidth) / float(strides[2]))
        #
        pad_along_height = ((out_height - 1) * strides[1] + filterHeight - inputHeight)
        pad_along_width = ((out_width - 1) * strides[2] + filterWidth - inputWidth)
        #
        # now get padding
        pad_top,pad_bottom,pad_left,pad_right = getPaddings(pad_along_height,pad_along_width)
        #
        print 'output height', out_height
        print 'output width' , out_width
        print 'total pad along height' , pad_along_height
        print 'total pad along width' , pad_along_width
        print 'pad at top' , pad_top
        print 'pad at bottom' ,pad_bottom
        print 'pad at left' , pad_left
        print 'pad at right' ,pad_right

    elif padding == 'VALID':
        out_height = np.ceil(float(inputHeight - filterHeight + 1) / float(strides[1]))
        out_width  = np.ceil(float(inputWidth - filterWidth + 1) / float(strides[2]))
        #
        print 'output height', out_height
        print 'output width' , out_width
        print 'no padding'


# use like so
getOutputDim (80,80,4,4,[1,1,1,1],'SAME')

L
Laine Mikael

Padding on/off. Determines the effective size of your input.

VALID: No padding. Convolution etc. ops are only performed at locations that are "valid", i.e. not too close to the borders of your tensor.
With a kernel of 3x3 and image of 10x10, you would be performing convolution on the 8x8 area inside the borders.

SAME: Padding is provided. Whenever your operation references a neighborhood (no matter how big), zero values are provided when that neighborhood extends outside the original tensor to allow that operation to work also on border values.
With a kernel of 3x3 and image of 10x10, you would be performing convolution on the full 10x10 area.


S
Shivam Kushwaha

https://i.stack.imgur.com/uamYe.png

Here, W and H are width and height of input, F are filter dimensions, P is padding size (i.e., number of rows or columns to be padded)

For SAME padding:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/Q1X1b.png

For VALID padding:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/CaSbW.png


T
Tensorflow Support

Tensorflow 2.0 Compatible Answer: Detailed Explanations have been provided above, about "Valid" and "Same" Padding.

However, I will specify different Pooling Functions and their respective Commands in Tensorflow 2.x (>= 2.0), for the benefit of the community.

Functions in 1.x:

tf.nn.max_pool

tf.keras.layers.MaxPool2D

Average Pooling => None in tf.nn, tf.keras.layers.AveragePooling2D

Functions in 2.x:

tf.nn.max_pool if used in 2.x and tf.compat.v1.nn.max_pool_v2 or tf.compat.v2.nn.max_pool, if migrated from 1.x to 2.x.

tf.keras.layers.MaxPool2D if used in 2.x and

tf.compat.v1.keras.layers.MaxPool2D or tf.compat.v1.keras.layers.MaxPooling2D or tf.compat.v2.keras.layers.MaxPool2D or tf.compat.v2.keras.layers.MaxPooling2D, if migrated from 1.x to 2.x.

Average Pooling => tf.nn.avg_pool2d or tf.keras.layers.AveragePooling2D if used in TF 2.x and

tf.compat.v1.nn.avg_pool_v2 or tf.compat.v2.nn.avg_pool or tf.compat.v1.keras.layers.AveragePooling2D or tf.compat.v1.keras.layers.AvgPool2D or tf.compat.v2.keras.layers.AveragePooling2D or tf.compat.v2.keras.layers.AvgPool2D , if migrated from 1.x to 2.x.

For more information about Migration from Tensorflow 1.x to 2.x, please refer to this Migration Guide.


s
shahab4ai

valid padding is no padding. same padding is padding in a way the output has the same size as input.


This does not provide an answer to the question. Once you have sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post; instead, provide answers that don't require clarification from the asker. - From Review
@FranciscoMariaCalisto you are right I did not read the question until the end. Also thanks for the comment.